For the past few weeks, we’ve been hearing in the news that Congress is coming closer to an agreement on another round of stimulus. It will be a more narrowly-targeted package than prior relief, but it will contain (at least the draft does) funding for the most important items: vaccine distribution; unemployment extension & federal supplement; stimulus checks; emergency food, rent & loan assistance; PPP loan forgiveness simplification; and our main topic here: another chance at PPP funding.
At this week’s AICPA Town Hall (free recording here), Lisa Simpson and Mark Peterson walked us through what is included in the current round of proposed legislation, and what it would mean for the next PPP program (popularly dubbed “PPP2”). They have encouraged us to share their slides and other resources.
Some of the notable elements are that 501(c)(6) organizations — including Chambers of Commerce — will be eligible for PPP this time, providing their lobbying efforts don’t exceed a certain threshold (10% as of now but that could change); and hospitality-industry chains will yet again be allowed to each apply for PPP as if they were independent hotels and restaurants (surprising after the negative press from the first round, but they have a loud voice in politics). Thankfully, the IRS and Congressional representatives are working together to include a provision for expenses paid for with PPP funds to be deductible — the current biggest obstacle for small businesses who receive(d) aid.
In addition, Lisa went through what we know so far about how the new PPP program will be structured and what eligibility requirements might look like. Keep in mind that this is all in draft at this point.
The idea is that if the gross revenues for any quarter in 2020 are down 30% or more over the same quarter in 2019, the business would be eligible for a second application for PPP funds, as long as they have 300 or fewer employees (per location, if in the hospitality industry). EIDL and PPP funds would not be included in this calculation, but no word yet on whether other aid, such as state, local or industry grants, would.
You do not have to apply for forgiveness for PPP1 before applying for PPP2 — in fact, we are still recommending that you hold off on your forgiveness application until Congress passes forgiveness simplification and tax deductibility of related expenses.
Nothing has been finalized yet and we don’t know all the details. But the AICPA has been meeting with politicians on both sides of the aisle and says that something is certainly going to be passed — it’s just a question of when, not if — and what the exact details will be.
It’s likely we’ll have news soon, and as such, it’s important that small business owners begin anticipating their next decision here, since time will likely be a factor — there is less capital in PPP2 than there was in the first round (which was exhausted in 6 days), so being prepared is key.
With that in mind — tips to consider if you might want to pursue additional PPP funding:
1) Have your books up-to-date and reconciled so you and your accountant can begin preparing your application the second the legislation drops.
2) There will be an eligibility hurdle for second-time PPP applicants. You will need to prove a 30% (as of now) drop in revenue — not profit, but gross revenue — in any quarter of 2020 compared to the same quarter in 2019. (If you didn’t get PPP funds in the first round and you want to this time, this rule does not apply.) The first round of PPP/EIDL does not count toward income for this purpose. No word yet on whether other grants may. Otherwise the calculations will be the same as in the first round.
3) I’m asking my interested clients to reach out to me to get their file set up in my CPA Business Funding Portal now, before legislation is passed, so we can just hit “submit” when the program opens, to try to get them in the first tranche of applicants.
(Note to other CPAs and accounting colleagues: this time around I am using AICPA-developed PPP application and forgiveness software, CPALoanPortal.com, so as to make the process for getting client funding less haphazard, more reliable, and more efficient. It’s free at the basic level, which allows you to apply for funding and forgiveness all in one portal, with a client dashboard. I’ve decided to pay to upgrade so I can use the payroll company reporting and AICPA FTE-calculator integrations. Their partner, Biz2Credit, was directly approved by SBA to lend money to small businesses; it’s not a third-party (like so many of the services we used first-time around who brokered loans as a middle-man). Looking forward to same-day PPP2 loan approvals, and disbursements within days. No I am not paid a cent to say any of this.)
Sincerely hoping the process goes more smoothly this time than it did in April!
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I need help on the second ppp and SBA loan
Unfortunately, I am only able to assist with my own clients and through these blog posts. You might try Clara CFO? I believe she has partnered with a firm for PPP services.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS1TfAapbr2J8izI8MH3ttw
What proof is acceptable to show 30% reduction in gross receipts?
I need help on the second ppp
Unfortunately, I am only able to assist with my own clients and through these blog posts. You might try Clara CFO? I believe she has partnered with a firm for PPP services.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS1TfAapbr2J8izI8MH3ttw
Really need help with payroll.
With processing payroll, or calculating payroll for the PPP application?
I recommend Gusto for processing payroll — use my affiliate link and you’ll get a $100 Visa gift card from them:
https://gusto.com/r/nancy11
As for PPP, unfortunately, I am only able to assist with my own clients and through these blog posts. You might try Clara CFO for PPP assistance. I believe she has partnered with a firm for PPP services.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS1TfAapbr2J8izI8MH3ttw
We really need help with payroll.
With processing payroll, or calculating payroll for the PPP application?
I recommend Gusto for processing payroll — use my affiliate link and you’ll get a $100 Visa gift card from them:
https://gusto.com/r/nancy11
As for PPP, unfortunately, I am only able to assist with my own clients and through these blog posts. You might try Clara CFO for PPP assistance. I believe she has partnered with a firm for PPP services.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS1TfAapbr2J8izI8MH3ttw
For PPP2 which months will be used for calculating the average monthly payroll (the base period) so that we can calculate about how much money (2.5 times the average monthly salary) we can borrow.
Some says the last 12 months? Before it was a specific time span
thank you
EM
The new law says you can either use the most recent 12 months (e.g., December 2019-November 2020, or whatever the most recent 12 months are by the time you apply), or you can use 2019 again. They allowed the reuse of 2019 because for most businesses, the payroll for 2019 was higher than for 2020, thus getting you a larger PPP loan.
What proof is acceptable to show 30% reduction in gross receipts?
In the end it ended up being a 25% reduction, not 30%, so that’s good news. As for proof, SBA hasn’t provided guidance yet, but my expectation is that it will be a quarterly Profit & Loss report from your bookkeeping software. My clients use QuickBooks Online and there is a report by quarter that shows a percentage comparison to the same quarter last year.