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Why You Should Still Hold Off on PPP1 Forgiveness Applications

Many clients and colleagues have reached out to me over the past two months to ask whether they should apply for PPP1 forgiveness yet, and my answer (and that of the AICPA) is still “not quite yet”. But rather than just pushing off the question of “but when” into the future, I wanted to publicly share our company’s strategy and timeline for handling these applications.

The deadline to apply for Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) forgiveness is 10 months after the end of the covered period — which for most folks for the first round was 24-weeks — so that wouldn’t be until sometime in July 2021 for the earliest borrowers. (It’s not really a deadline, but it’s the date on which the lender will start requiring loan payments, so I think of it as one.)

We’re planning to dedicate May & June 2021 to working through all our existing clients’ PPP forgiveness applications. There are many clarifications we’re still waiting for (they keep dribbling out of Congress, IRS, and the SBA bit by bit, with occasional leaps), and the interaction between the PPP and other types of financial relief is complex.

In particular, the rules surrounding the 2020 Employee Retention Credit — which until recently was not an option for PPP borrowers — are vague and complex, even with the recent IRS Notice and FAQ. Furthermore, most payroll companies have not figured out how to collect the information and prepare the 4th-quarter Form 941 forms for partial quarters, and we may end up having to file some ERC requests manually. (Don’t get me started on this one.)

An example of how the changing rules affect applications: the EIDL advance grant was previously supposed to be subtracted from PPP forgiveness; but by asking our clients to wait on their forgiveness applications, they were able to take advantage of a December 2020 change that removes this requirement, saving them many thousands of dollars. (Though thankfully, it sounds like SBA will eventually refund those amounts to businesses who applied before this new rule went into effect.)

As if these reasons weren’t enough, in a recent on-demand AICPA Town Hall, they mentioned that:
– Most lenders are not actively taking forgiveness applications because their teams are focused on administering PPP2.
– SBA is working very slowly on forgiveness process because they are also focused on PPP2.
– The new simplified form for $150k and under will not be worked into the SBA system until sometime in March.

Between the constantly-changing rules for PPP and the guidance and calculations needed for ERC, we’re still following the recommendation of the AICPA and asking folks to hold off on PPP1 forgiveness applications, until tax season is behind us all and the IRS can focus on the remaining questions, allowing us to be methodical and consistent in our approach.

There’s no reason to be nervous about holding off on forgiveness — of the one-third of PPP loans that have been submitted for forgiveness, fully 99% of the loan dollars have been forgiven. The very small amount that have not are small loans at only 1% interest. Furthermore, by waiting you are giving your business the best chance at maximizing other types of financial relief, especially as the new Biden-Harris administration is in the process of changing rules to make them more attainable for a larger number of the smallest businesses out there, as well as Congress creating new funding opportunities.

(For tips on planning for the potential Employee Retention Credit, see my next blog post.)


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Changes to Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) Starting Feb 24

A slide from this morning’s CPA Loan Portal-AICPA update.

Big changes yet again in the world of the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP), where it sometimes seems the only constant is change.

The White House released a Fact Sheet early yesterday indicating immediate changes to the program intended to shift focus to small businesses with few or no employees, and increase program access to those who may otherwise have been shut out.

The five main changes, as summarized in the CPA Loan Portal-AICPA slide above (from this morning’s webinar), are in two different areas — “Focusing On Small Businesses” and “Increasing Program Access”, and are as follows:

  1. Starting Wednesday, a temporary pause in applications for 20+ employee businesses.
  2. New eligibility calculation rules for Schedule C self-employed (see below).
  3. Borrowers with non-fraud convictions will no longer be prevented from applying.
  4. Student loan delinquency will no longer prevent borrowers from applying.
  5. Clarify that ITIN applications for non-citizens will be accepted.

The biggest take-away for our client base is #2 above — this particular section of the White House statement:

Help sole proprietors, independent contractors, and self-employed individuals receive more financial support.
These types of businesses, which include home repair contractors, beauticians, and small independent retailers, make up a significant majority of all businesses. Of these businesses, those without employees are 70 percent owned by women and people of color. Yet many are structurally excluded from the PPP or were approved for as little as $1 because of how PPP loans are calculated. To address this problem, the Biden-Harris administration will revise the loan calculation formula for these applicants so that it offers more relief, and establish a $1 billion set aside for businesses in this category without employees located in low- and moderate-income (LMI) areas.

The SBA followed up with their own release shortly afterwards, stating, “The 14-day exclusivity period will start on Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 9 am, while the other four changes will be implemented by the first week of March. The SBA is working on the program changes and will communicate details throughout this week.”

Therefore, self-employed taxpayers should wait until the new rules are released next week to apply for PPP funds.

What does this mean for applicants and their advisors?

PPP loans are based on wages to employees, which are subject to “payroll tax” (or “Social Security & Medicare taxes”). Whereas for certain types of one-person companies that don’t have payroll, the amount is calculated based on the net profit from IRS 1040 Schedule C — the amount on which “self-employment tax” is paid (also known as “Social Security & Medicare taxes”).

As CNBC reports, because of this method of defining “payroll” for the self-employed, some applicants saw very low loan amounts in previous rounds of the program, because they make very little in profit.

To “fix” the issue, the SBA is revising the formula to match what it uses for farmers. This basically means that they will calculate loan amounts from gross income instead of net profit.

This means that millions of small business owners who posted a loss in 2019 or 2020 will still be able to apply for PPP funds, based on their revenues before deductions are taken.

This sounds wonderful — and to some extent is — but it’s inherently unfair to partnership owners, who also have their PPP loans based on self-employment income. It’s also unfair to the millions of Schedule C filers who already applied for both rounds of the PPP without the benefit of this changed rule.

In a Forbes article from yesterday afternoon, Brian Thompson pointed out, “even more important is the question of whether this formula will be retroactive for those sole proprietors who have already applied. We don’t know yet whether these businesses will be allowed to gross up based on the new formula.”

As for small business advisors, it puts us back in a sprint again, during an already-grueling tax season. This morning, we developed our plan internally for next steps, which is to identify:

1) Clients who file Schedule C;
2) Who have not filed for PPP;
3) Because they have a loss or very low income on Line 31 of their 2019 Schedule C.

Then we’ll reach out to each one of them to explain that they may in fact be eligible for PPP after all, and to offer to prepare their application through our CPA Loan Portal, as we’ve been doing since early January for all our clients who qualify.

Although I am extremely grateful for this opportunity for small business owners, the inequity of the situation is extremely upsetting; we will see if additional changes are made that allow partnerships and prior applicants to use the same rules. But even if those concessions are made, there is an inherent issue with using gross revenues rather than net — which is that other types of single-member companies (S-corps, C-corps, Non-profits and Co-operatives) did not have the same option, and I know quite a few that suffered from lack of PPP funding as a result; even harder-hit were newer companies that did not show a 25% decrease from 2019 to 2020. (It’s hard not to go up from zero.)

I could go on, but I won’t, because it’s tax season and I have to take care of client deliverables in the midst of it all. Who knew that client financial relief would be such a moving target?


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Cómo Aplicar Un Préstamo Del Programa de Protección de Cheques de Pago (PPP) – GRATIS – En Español

Explico el proceso para solicitar un préstamo del Programa de Protección de Cheques de Pago.

The webinar I gave last week on how to apply for a PPP loan was translated into Spanish by the talented Elsa Prado — just click the image above to hear the whole thing in Spanish.

She was also kind enough to invite me as a guest on her Spanish-language show Alas de Amor on Radio Dimension Latina FM last Saturday — and I managed to pull off most of it without resorting to English, though she was kind enough to expertly translate when I did. (Our session is from about 3:30-35:30 -ish.)

Alas de Amor on Radio Dimension Latina FM — https://fb.watch/3IztQD22aS/

Algunos aspectos destacados:

Estoy muy ansioso por difundir este importante programa de ayuda financiera para empresas pequeñas, se llama PPP. El Programa de Protección de Cheques de Pago (PPP) de la SBA se abrió para una otra ronda de solicitudes, hasta las 31 de marzo. Este programa proporciona a las pequeñas empresas fondos para costos de nómina, alquiler, servicios públicos y otras categorías nuevas de gastos adicionales.

Necesitas solicitar un préstamo PPP a través de un banco u otra institución financiera, no directamente a través de la SBA. Además, no tienes que solicitar el préstamo de tu banco principal. Hay muchos diferentes bancos, prestamistas y otras instituciones financieras que pueden ayudarle a presentar la solicitud.

En la primera ronda de préstamos PPP en abril de 2020, había muchos problemas con las aplicaciones. No había suficiente información sobre cómo presentar la solicitud y a veces había información contradictoria. Esto resultó en bastantes problemas para los negocios que trataron de solicitar préstamos PPP1.

Después de los desafíos de abril, la SBA publicó más información sobre cómo presentar una solicitud y el congreso presentó nueva legislación retroactiva que resolvió muchos de los problemas originales.

Las reglas ahora son más claras y beneficiosas para las pequeñas empresas.

La nueva ronda de préstamos PPP está abierta y la fecha límite para las solicitudes es el 31 de marzo. ¡Todavía hay tiempo para presentar su solicitud – incluso para la primera ronda de préstamos PPP!


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How To Apply For The Paycheck Protection Program – FREE Step-By-Step Webinar With Slides & Links

This past Wednesday, February 17th 2021, I was honored once again to participate in State Representative Will Guzzardi’s FREE Facebook Live series designed to help his constituents — and anyone else who wants to tune in — to learn about financial relief during Covid-19.

We did an entire hour-long session on how to determine eligibility and apply for the current round of the Paycheck Protection Program, which is designed to be open through March 31, 2021 or until funds run out.

The full-length webinar is FREE, as are the slides, resources and links to walk you through the application process. Additionally, a PDF version of the slides is available for download here:

We covered the following topics:
1) Paycheck Protection Program Summary
2) Current Program Overview
3) Eligibility
4) How To Apply
5) Where To Apply
6) Forgiveness Basics
7) Resources & Questions

Please share far and wide to help small business owners learn about the current status of the Paycheck Protection Program and how they can determine eligibility and apply for a non-taxable forgivable loan to help their companies stay afloat during these challenging times.


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The Dancing Accountant Presents: FREE PPP Webinar 2/17/21 6 PM Central

I am proud to be participating in State Representative Will Guzzardi’s FREE Facebook Live series designed to help his constituents — and anyone else who wants to tune in — to learn about financial relief during Covid-19.

We’ll be doing a session on how to determine eligibility and apply for the current round of the Paycheck Protection Program, which is designed to be open through March 31, 2021 or until funds run out.

I’ll cover the following topics:
1) Paycheck Protection Program Summary
2) Current Program Overview
3) Eligibility
4) How To Apply
5) Where To Apply
6) Forgiveness Basics
7) Resources & Questions

Slides will be available through Rep. Guzzardi’s office by request, and I will link to a recording here on my blog.

As an exciting bonus, the webinar will be translated into Spanish, by the talented Elsa Prado. She was kind enough to invite me as a guest on her Spanish-language show Alas de Amor this past Saturday — and I managed to pull off about 85% of it without resorting to English, though she was kind enough to expertly translate when I did.

In either language, please join us to learn about the current status of the Paycheck Protection Program and how you can determine eligibility and apply for a non-taxable forgivable loan to help your business stay afloat during these challenging times.


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PPP & Other Emergency Funding Opportunities – FREE BACP Webinar 1/19/21

From the Chicago Department of Business Affairs & Consumer Protection:

The U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA) Paycheck Protection Program will support small businesses throughout the country with up to $284 billion toward job retention and certain other expenses. Businesses apply for PPP loans through a bank, credit union, community lender, online lender or other participating lenders. Please note that some lenders may not be participating in the program – please contact your preferred lender to determine if they are participating. Learn more at sba.gov/ppp and find a lender using the SBA Lender Match Tool.
While BACP does not manage the Paycheck Protection Program, we will be holding webinars and continuing to share information in the coming days and weeks.
The first webinar, “The Paycheck Protection Program and Other Emergency Funding Opportunities,” will be presented by the U.S. Small Business Administration and Accion Chicago on Tuesday, January 19, at 3:00 pm.Register and learn more at chicago.gov/businesseducation. More webinars will be planned in the coming weeks – stay tuned!
To learn more about the PPP, please visit these links:


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PPP2 Opens Today 1/11 – But Only To A Few: Be Patient.

January 11, 2021: The next round of the popular Paycheck Protection Program technically opens today — but only for a very small number of lenders, called Community Financial Institutions. According to CPA Practice Advisor, “To promote access to capital, initially only community financial institutions will be able to make First Draw PPP Loans on Monday, January 11, and Second Draw PPP Loans on Wednesday, January 13.  The PPP will open to all participating lenders shortly thereafter.”

In the finance industry, this is being referred to as the “Soft Launch” of the PPP. The reason for this tiered approach is that these institutions (CFIs), and the disadvantaged businesses they often represent — many of them from underserved communities — were mostly shut-out of the first round of PPP back in April. Brian Thompson published a great article in Forbes yesterday, explaining the details, that I encourage you to read. In short, the SBA is trying to equalize access to business ownership and support for black and brown communities. So if you’re not in one of these groups, today’s opening is not meant for you. Please be patient.

Although only this small group of lenders will be the included in the Soft Launch, unfortunately very few of them will be prepared to take full loan applications this week. These CFIs are generally only accepting applications from their existing customers, and do not have the processing capacity to receive an influx of applications, especially from those outside the communities they serve.

My recommendation is to continue with the strategy that you have already devised — whether that’s working with your existing banking relationship, or with your CPA to apply through a lending portal (I am using the CPA Business Funding Portal, a joint program between the AICPA and biz2credit — more here — you can also use the platform for free to help prepare applications to be sent to clients’ existing lenders).

See my recent blog posts for more information about the details of this round of the Paycheck Protection Program, or how to determine whether or not you qualify.


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PPP2 Guidance & Forms Are Here – Program to Open Week of January 11

Three weeks ago today I said it was coming — and it’s here!

Today, SBA and Treasury announced the reopening of the PPP program:

Initially only community financial institutions will be able to make First Draw PPP Loans on Monday, January 11, and Second Draw PPP Loans on Wednesday, January 13.  The PPP will open to all participating lenders shortly thereafter.

Updated PPP guidance outlining Program changes to enhance its effectiveness and accessibility was released on January 6 in accordance with the Economic Aid to Hard-Hit Small Businesses, Non-Profits, and Venues Act.

Key PPP updates include (underlines are mine):

  • PPP borrowers can set their PPP loan’s covered period to be any length between 8 and 24 weeks to best meet their business needs;
  • PPP loans will cover additional expenses, including operations expenditures, property damage costs, supplier costs, and worker protection expenditures;
  • The Program’s eligibility is expanded to include 501(c)(6)s, housing cooperatives, destination marketing organizations, among other types of organizations;
  • The PPP provides greater flexibility for seasonal employees;
  • Certain existing PPP borrowers can request to modify their First Draw PPP Loan amount; and
  • Certain existing PPP borrowers are now eligible to apply for a Second Draw PPP Loan. 

A borrower is generally eligible for a Second Draw PPP Loan if the borrower:

  • Previously received a First Draw PPP Loan and will or has used the full amount only for authorized uses;
  • Has no more than 300 employees; and
  • Can demonstrate at least a 25% reduction in gross receipts between comparable quarters in 2019 and 2020. (Updated since to provide an option for annual comparison for those without quarterly records.)

The guidance included two interim final rules (IFRs).

  • The 82-page IFR “Business Loan Program Temporary Changes; Paycheck Protection Program as Amended” consolidates the rules for PPP forgivable loans for first-time borrowers and outlines changes made by the Economic Aid to Hard-Hit Small Businesses, Nonprofits, and Venues Act, P.L. 116-260.
  • The 42-page IFR “Business Loan Program Temporary Changes; Paycheck Protection Program Second Draw Loans” lays out the guidelines for new PPP loans to businesses that previously received a PPP loan.

In addition, the SBA released a three-page “Guidance on Accessing Capital for Minority, Underserved, Veteran and Women-Owned Business Concerns.” That guidance includes a commitment from the SBA to make at least the first two days of the PPP application window open exclusively to applications from community financial institutions that serve minority- and women-owned businesses.

AICPA Firm Services Vice President Lisa Simpson got up at 5 am on the morning the SBA guidance was released, and was ready by 3 pm — slide deck and all — to share it with us on the AICPA Town Hall. The hour-long episode is free and available to the public — it’s all excellent, but her presentation in the first half-hour will give you almost everything you need to know. I’ll attempt to summarize it here, but honestly… you’re doing yourself a favor to sit down and watch it.

Here’s a summary of what I consider to be the highlights:

  • New application Form 2483-SD released Friday night, January 8th!
    (You heard it here first.)
  • SBA program will open January 11, in phases, as outlined above (minority-owned businesses were the last to receive assistance first-time around).
  • March 31st is last day to apply for PPP (first- or second-round).
  • For payroll costs used in calculating the loan amount (x 2.5 months, or x 3.5 for the hospitality industry, including restaurants), one can use:
    a) 2019, b) 2020, or c) 12-months’ prior to application.
  • Borrowers that want a 2nd PPP must show a 25% quarterly revenue loss in any quarter of 2020 compared to the same quarter in 2019 (or annual, see below). The SBA is streamlining this for loans under $150k. It will not require supporting documentation to be submitted with the application but only later, when applying for forgiveness.
  • Businesses trying to show the quarterly 25% revenue drop for 2nd PPP loans can cite an annual reduction of 25% and submit copies of annual tax forms to verify. SBA and Treasury say this will help small borrowers that may not have quarterly revenue information readily available.

For details on both first-draw and second-draw maximum loan amounts and eligible costs, this Journal of Accountancy article is the best summary I have read so far.

The AICPA has been very generous in encouraging us to share its slides from the Town Halls in order to get the word out. Here are a few “best of” from Thursday’s session. Again, I encourage you to watch for yourself to get some clarity.


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Summary of “Save Our Stages” Grant for Shuttered Live Venues

UPDATE 3/9/21: See this informative blog post written by a colleague of mine for recent updates to the program, application process, required documentation, etc. An important reminder that applicants are required to register for a DUNS number on the SAM.gov website prior to applying — and it takes up to two weeks to process.

UPDATE 1/12/21: SBA is offering a free webinar overview of this program on Thursday, January 24, 2021 at 2 pm Central.

It’s big news that Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2021 (CAA) — the newest financial relief legislation — included a provision of grants for shuttered venue operators, originally known as the Save Our Stages Act. They set aside $15 billion to help these organizations, regardless of entity type.

I’ve recently received some questions that make it clear that folks don’t really understand how this program is distinct from others, and I wanted to clear up some confusion:
1) The reason live venues cannot receive PPP2 funds is that the Shuttered Live Venue Grant program is its substitute, built specifically for these types of organizations and industry.
2) It will be phased in over the course of a month — two weeks for the hardest hit, then two more weeks for the next-hardest hit, then it opens up to any other qualifying businesses. (This is generally not the case for other grants or credits, like PPP or ERC. Each has its own rules.)

To clarify, the grant program is not yet live and we do not yet know at what point the funds will be available.

But as is the case with all the other financial relief I’ve been covering, what’s important is to get as ready as you can be NOW, so that the moment guidance is released, forms come out, and the program goes live, you’re on it.

I’m going to start by encouraging you to read two articles — one is from Withum, a trusted accounting firm with a team that specializes in this industry. It’s to-the-point, instructional, and a solid reference.

The other is no surprise: my favorite tax writer, Tony Nitti, breaks it down and explains the details like few others can, with analysis and humor. If you actually intend on applying for one of these, skip the rest of my post and just switch to his most recent Forbes article. My post is simply a summary of his article, for those who aren’t sure if they might be interested and just want to learn about the basics.

And with that… there are three types of requirements: qualifying category; business requirements; and venue requirements. His article lists them in detail, but as a summary:

I. Qualifying Category Requirements

Category 1: Live venue operators or promoters, theatrical producers, or live performing arts organization operators
a) Organize/Promote/Produce/Manage/Host Life Performances
b) Ticket Brokers

Category 2: Relevant Museum

Category 3: Motion Picture Theater Operator

Category 4: Talent Representative

II. Business Requirements

1. It must have been fully operational on February 29, 2020;
2. Had a 75% of gross revenue during any quarter of 2020 over the same quarter in 2019;
3. Intends or has resumed operations (requirements differ based on which category);
4. Cannot be publicly traded or have received more than 10% of its revenue during 2019 from federal funding;
5. Cannot have MORE THAN TWO of the following characteristics:
– Locations in more than one country,
– Locations in more than 10 states, or
– More than 500 employees as of February 29, 2020.
6. No strip clubs;
7. Cannot receive a Paycheck Protection Program loan — either round 1 or the new second round — after December 27, 2020.

III. Venue Requirements
Depending on the category, there are specific requirements that the venues have certain characteristics, such as a defined performance and audience space, as well as paid ticket or cover charges. Again, see the article for a detailed list by category.

Once a business meets ALL the relevant requirements above, it is eligible to receive a grant.

Grant Amount Calculation

The initial grant will generally be equal to the lesser of three amounts:
1. 45% of the gross earned revenue of the business during 2019;
2. If the business started after January 1, 2019, the amount equal to the product of 6 multiplied by the average monthly gross earned revenue for each full month the business was in operation in 2019; or,
3. $10 million.

The grants will be prioritized: for the first 14 days they are available, grants will be awarded to those with a 90% drop in revenue compared to the same period in 2019. The next 14 days will prioritize those businesses who lost at least 70% of revenue when comparing the two periods.

Each qualifying business — even if affiliated with other businesses –- is eligible for its own grant. However, no more than 5 business entities of any “affiliated group” can receive a grant. For museums, the maximum grant for any one museum operator is $10 million, regardless of the number of museums operated.

A supplemental grant is also available if the revenues for the first quarter of 2021 are at least 70% less than the revenues for the same quarter in 2019. It will be 50% of the initial grant, but between initial and supplemental grants, the total amount received cannot exceed $10 million.

The grant dollars must be used for costs incurred from March 1, 2020 through December 31, 2021 (or as late as June 30, 2022 for supplemental grants). If not expended by the relevant deadline, the funds must be returned within 1 year after the date of disbursement of the grant.

The grants must be used on eligible expenses, including: payroll costs, mortgage interest, rent, utilities, worker protection expenses, independent contractors (up to $100,000 in annual compensation each), maintenance, administrative costs, state and local taxes, operating leases, insurance premiums, advertising, production transportation, and certain capital expenditures.

Receipt of the grant is not taxable — the grant represents tax-exempt income; and 2) any expenses paid with the grant money is fully deductible.

Again, thank you Tony — and best of luck to any of you out there who qualify; we can’t wait until the pandemic is over and we’re back in your halls again.


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PPP2: Do You Qualify? And How to Calculate The Max Amount – Clara CFO

In preparing webinars and zoom sessions for my clients and colleagues, I often run across other CPAs doing similar work. Some are better than others, and some leave a lot to be desired. I’ve been very impressed with the free series presented by Hannah Smolinski of Clara CFO.

Recently I presented a webinar for Bookkeeping Buds members that they graciously allowed me to share at no charge on my blog. It goes through everything Hannah mentions in the above video, however it a) focuses on the Employee Retention Credit and its interaction with PPP, and b) is directed toward accounting and bookkeeping professionals, rather than small business owners.

Hannah sums up the PPP2-eligibility portion of that webinar in this free 18-minute video quite well, so I wanted to share it with my readers (rather than record a new one of my own or make you sit through an hour and 15 minutes of accounting-speak).

But before you watch it, here’s a summary of PPP2 commonly-asked questions and answers:

Am I eligible for more money?
If your business’s gross receipts declined at least 25% in at least one quarter (any one) of 2020 compared to that same quarter in 2019.

Can I get more PPP money if I got it the first time?
Yes, you can get a second loan if you got a first, as long as you meet the above eligibility requirement.

Do I need to apply with the same bank that gave me my first PPP loan?
No, it doesn’t have to be with the same bank. I am using the AICPA’s partnership with biz2credit because their application and forgiveness process are both streamlined; it is directly with a bank, rather than a third-party; the professional consultation of AICPA gives me confidence that the calculations are accurate.

Do I need to have applied for forgiveness already on my first loan?
No, you don’t have to have already applied for forgiveness on your first loan in order to apply for a second round. You just have to certify that you have used all the PPP1 funds.

What if I didn’t apply first-time around?
You are eligible to apply for a loan under the original rules, meaning you don’t have to prove the decline in revenue like second-time borrowers.

Hannah also provides a free spreadsheet with a tab to run the “25% decline in gross receipts” test, if you don’t already use QuickBooks Online (or if you use QBO Simple Start, which does not have the same reporting features).

She goes through both the spreadsheet tab and the QBO reporting option in the video. (Note: this sheet is an additional tab she’s added to her already-existing free PPP Forgiveness Calculator Excel workbook; and while I think she’s done a very good job with it, I prefer the AICPA version, also free to the public. They also offer a free FTE calculator, which you will need if you are not able to claim any of the safe harbors.)

Once you’ve determined that you qualify, you’ll want to know how to calculate the maximum amount of PPP2 to which you’re entitled. The AICPA offers a free calculator for that as well, but I noticed that Hannah has a low-cost ($37) one-hour webinar recording from January 6th available; she generally does a nice job explaining things to business owners who might be doing their own bookkeeping, so while I have not myself seen the video, it feels worth sharing with you here in case it is helpful.

I do not have any professional affiliation with Clara CFO and do not receive any payment from her or AICPA for promoting their offerings — I just think they’re really good and want to share!


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