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PPP Loan Forgiveness for Co-ops – Webinar 10/22

PPP Loans and Forgiveness: A Cooperative Perspective: October 22 2020
https://nsacoop.org/webcast_details.php?id=288

My colleague Eric Krienert will be teaching a one-hour webinar on October 22 on the topic of the Paycheck Protection Program. This session will provide an overview from a cooperative perspective of loans and forgiveness under the PPP. Beginning with the economic necessity certification, to qualifying expenses, to the spending timeframe and FTE limitation — an explanation will be provided on restoring FTEs and wage limitation before looking at the loan forgiveness application process. The session will conclude with a review of tax and other considerations.

More information on the webinar, as well as registration details, can be found here. The session is free to NSAC members and $56 for non-members.


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SBA Announces Streamlined PPP Forgiveness for Loans Under $50K

Another late-night guidance drop from the SBA — this time, good news for PPP borrowers of $50,000 or less… and somehow managed without the Congressional action we’ve been waiting for that seems to have all but stalled out.

The SBA has released a new, streamlined forgiveness application for these borrowers (and has eased the burden on lenders as well) — but notably, the requirements are exactly the same as prior to this newest Interim Final Rule. It’s just the simplified application and reduced documentation that make it easier. This means that small business owners still have to meet all the forgiveness rules that were in place before this most recent development — and they must certify as such on the application.

So on the one had, it’s great news — on the other, I’m not sure how much this will help anyone… it’s essential to run the numbers and collect the documentation regardless, to confirm compliance, as well as for support should the forgiveness be audited or challenged.

This also is a far cry short of the “under $150,000” floor that has been introduced by numerous members of Congress. Maybe this is just a start, and it will be increased with a legislative act?

Regardless… because the calculations and documentation must be dealt with despite the shorter application (and kept for your permanent records), I still recommend using the free AICPA tool — PPPForgivenessTool.com — as it does an amazing job of taking care of much of the number-crunching behind the scenes, and turns out an application and supporting documentation pdf packet that should be just the thing for your files. It’s the best PPP calculation resource I’ve tested yet (and believe me, I’ve tested quite a few).

Given the slow pace of SBA forgiveness and the likelihood that there will be more relief coming from Congress after the election, the AICPA continues to recommend that borrowers hold off on applying for forgiveness for now — unless they need to because they’re selling a business or have restrictive debt covenants.


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New AICPA FREE Searchable Index For PPP Guidance

Screenshot from 9/3/20 AICPA Town Hall of excerpt of new PPP rule index

The AICPA has come out with yet another amazing, free tool to help business owners administer PPP loans and accountants to advise them.

If you’ve been playing along, you know that the Small Business Administration (SBA)’s troubled and challenging Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) has had a ridiculous number of clarifications, FAQs, Interim Final Rules (IFR), and other guidance. Figuring out which piece of info is hidden in which document is nearly impossible.

The American Institute of CPAs (AICPA) felt the same way. So the organization that brought you the [free] PPP Forgiveness Calculator and [also-free] PPP Online Forgiveness Tool, now brings you a (FREE) lovely spreadsheet with (so far) 170 searchable questions about the PPP, and indicates the date and type of guidance, and links to where to find it.

From the AICPA:

The Paycheck Protection Program (PPP), under Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act, provides small businesses with forgivable loans. Administered through the Small Business Administration (SBA), the PPP loan proceeds are to be expended on payroll, rent, mortgage payments, or utilities. The SBA, in conjunction with the Treasury, have released Interim Financial Rules (IFRs) and Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) to provide guidance.

This searchable index allows users to easily find guidance on the PPP loan application, eligibility, allowable use of funds, loan forgiveness, maturity date, and more.


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EIDL & PPP Interaction Guidance

The EIDL has two portions: an advance grant, and a 30-year loan.

The SBA provided guidance recently on the interaction of PPP loan forgiveness with advances on the Economic Injury Disaster Loans (EIDL), in the form of adding three Q&As to its August 11th FAQs.

Many of my clients, as well as countless other small businesses, applied for loans under both the PPP and EIDL programs and received them. For EIDL, they could receive 1) an advance grant (generally measured at $1000 per employee), which in theory was automatically forgiven, and 2) a 30-year working capital loan at an interest rate of 3.75% (2.75% for nonprofits). Applicants could apply for or receive either the advance grant, the loan, or both.

Though the CARES Act does not call for it, and the SBA did not expressly state it, the AICPA began reporting some months ago (presumably based on information received from their regular meetings with Treasury) that the EIDL advance grant would have to be subtracted from PPP forgiveness. There was much disagreement in the CPA world as to whether or not this was indeed the case, as the SBA forgiveness application could be interpreted either way.

However, with these new FAQs, the SBA has put an end to that debate, confirming the AICPA’s position that the EIDL advance grants must be subtracted from PPP forgiveness.

The good news here is that at least these will, in effect, be converted into the PPP 1%-interest loans, rather than the 3.75% EIDL. The bad news is that the PPP loan term is only 2- or 5-years (depending on when the loan was signed), rather than the 30-year EIDL.

Therefore, if you have a large EIDL advance grant (at one point these were capped at $10,000, but there are some out there for more than this amount), and you will be challenged by paying it back, take a look at your PPP loan term. If it is 2 years (for loans prior to June 5), then contact your PPP lender to extend the PPP loan to a 5-year period.

This would be particularly important if the EIDL advance grant was larger than your PPP loan, as in these cases there will be no forgiveness.


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SBA Guidance On Appealing PPP Forgiveness Rejections – Lawyers Only, Please

SBA gives borrowers a second chance at forgiveness.

Reported in yesterday afternoon’s issue of Accounting Today, “the U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA) has posted rules about how businesses who have been turned down for forgiveness of their Paycheck Protection Program loans can appeal the decision, and about how forgivable PPP loans interact with the SBA’s Economic Injury Disaster Loans.”

The SBA’s Office of Hearings and Appeals has been charged with PPP loan forgiveness denials, which means CPAs will not be permitted to represent the clients they have helped through the PPP process.

According to Accounting Today: “‘The process is a formal legal process, with representation of the borrower limited to attorneys,’ noted Ed Zollars, a partner in the CPA firm of Thomas, Zollars & Lynch, in a blog post Wednesday for Kaplan Financial Education about the new rules. ‘The special status granted to CPAs to practice before the IRS does not carry over to practice before the Small Business Administration.'”

The interim final rules on this matter take effect immediately, though comments are still being accepted.

“Business that appeal the loan forgiveness denial will need to have a copy of the loan review decision that’s being appealed, a statement about why the decision was erroneous, the relief that’s being sought, signed copies of payroll tax filings filed with the IRS and the state, as well as various federal tax returns and schedules… the SBA also wants the name, address, phone number, email address and signature of the appellant or attorney. The maximum length of the appeal petition should be 20 pages, not including any attachments.”


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SBA Releases Long-Awaited PPP Forgiveness FAQ

PPP Forgiveness FAQ released only five days before SBA begins accepting lender applications

I was presuming (in this blog post) that the SBA set an initial date for accepting PPP forgiveness applications of August 10th because surely Congress would have something ironed out before they go on recess, and that these expected legislative changes to the program were the same reason for delaying release of their FAQ (yes, the one they have been promising for the past two months).

Surprise! The SBA FAQ was released late yesterday — I’ll be attending the AICPA Town Hall tomorrow and will post an update afterwards (maybe Friday), but in the meantime, here are the best articles I’ve found on the topic so far.

Journal of Accountancy – New FAQs address PPP loan forgiveness issues
By Jeff Drew

Forbes – SBA Makes Further Changes To PPP Rules In August 4th FAQs
By Alan Gassman

ABA Banking Journal – SBA Releases New PPP Forgiveness FAQs, Lending Data


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PPP Loans Under $150K May Be Automatically Forgiven

Secretary Mnuchin Speaks to Reporters

On Friday afternoon, July 17, Secretary of the Treasury Mnuchin announced that he would consider recommending to both the IRS and SBA that all PPP loans below a certain amount be automatically forgiven. The PPP loan cap mentioned in the discussion was for all loans under $150,000 (though various lobbying groups have floated other amounts). Loans at this level and below account for 86% of all PPP loans — but only 26% of the funds.

This would allow banks and the SBA to concentrate their reviews on the loans above $150,000 — only 14% of the loans — which make up a whopping 74% of the funds. (Among these large borrowers are the many chains, billionaires, and public companies that arguably were not the “small businesses” the fund was meant to help.)

If this recommendation is made, and if accepted, presumably that would mean that Forms 3508-EZ or 3508 would not have to be filed by the borrower with the PPP lender. Mnuchin did mention that some fraud precaution would need to be involved. We’ll have to wait to learn more.

I’ve been put off by how many of my colleagues have been mining these applications for additional fees (and bragging about it), especially when their small-business clients desperately need all the funds they can get to keep their businesses running. So not only would this move by Treasury aid small business owners, who are already overwhelmed with keeping afloat during a pandemic; as well as lenders, who would be able to spend resources more effectively in examining large loans; but it also would put the brakes on the predatory behaviors of “trusted advisors”.

In light of this exciting new development/ possibility, and the fact that we are still waiting for an SBA/Treasury FAQ — which has been promised for weeks on-end at this point — I have decided to postpone all client meetings and webinars on the topic, to allow for the respective government agencies to provide additional information.


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How To Forecast PPP Forgiveness Using The AICPA Spreadsheet Calculator – FREE Zoom Recording

I’ve been doing regular 40-minute free zoom sessions for my clients for a couple months now, mostly centering on questions concerning PPP & EIDL applications and forgiveness.

Today I did a run-through of how to use the AICPA’s great spreadsheet calculator tool to forecast forgiveness for a single S-Corp shareholder with a staff of both hourly and salaried employees. I’ve received a lot of feedback about how helpful it was, so I decided to make the mp4 download available for free on my blog in the hopes that it will assist other CPAs, accountants, bookkeepers, and small business owners. The spreadsheet with sample data that I used in the session is available below. (More on the AICPA tool here.)

A few important points:

1) I have taken six webinars on the new PPP forgiveness rules in the past week — and gotten six different interpretations. They vary widely, on topics such as the EIDL advance subtraction, incurred and-vs-or paid, what an acceptable utility is… as well as some flat-out mistakes (such as including owner compensation in FTE/wage reduction calculations — this is simply not okay). There was even one where the person doing the presenting and the person answering questions in chat were conflicting with each other. So keep in mind that just because someone (including me) sounds confident — this does not mean they are right. They’re just AN expert… there is currently no such thing as THE expert. Just do your best with the information you have — the smartest approach to take is to do whatever you can to make it easy for your banker to just glance at your substantiation and decide it’s sufficient to support your calculations, whatever interpretation you choose.

2) This tool is a DRAFT. For one, there are some small errors in it that I’ve reported to the AICPA; but more importantly — we know this guidance is going to change. In fact, there is pending relief legislation in Congress (to extend the forgiveness period or remove the 75% rule) that may render most of what we’re doing now useless (including the fact that we don’t yet know when we’ll be submitting anything for forgiveness).

However: some folks are more than half-way through their forgiveness period and we have to plan based on the law as it stands now… and hitting the FTE reduction, salary/wage reduction, and 75% of payroll tests is hard. So as a tool for forecasting, as well as establishing your goals and gauging your progress, I encourage you to fill this spreadsheet out to the best of your ability, so you aren’t surprised by a large loan balance at the end of this.

3) Remember, you will only fill out the sections on the application that are highlighted in BLUE. The spreadsheet bases all calculations on that data. Grey fields are calculated, and green are ones that pull from data you entered elsewhere. The instructions aren’t entirely complete, and there are a couple small errors, but it’s still the best tool I’ve found out there (including my own). The spreadsheet formula cells are locked, but you can resize any areas you need to in order to view the full content. Lastly, it seems maybe folks with Macs or using cloud spreadsheet software may have challenges getting their systems to recognize it’s not read-only.

Best of luck, and I’ll try to post other examples for other entity types as time allows.


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Long-Awaited SBA Rules For Forgiveness Application

The Small Business Administration gets some kind of perverse joy out of releasing guidance on Friday nights. Last week, it was the new PPP loan application, and this week, it’s the guidance to accompany it.

The Journal of Accountancy did a nice job summarizing each of the new documents on Monday — I definitely recommend reading their brief write-up under the heading “Provisions of note in 2 new interim rules”.

I spent some quality time myself on Sunday going through all 45 pages — it’s actually two sets of guidance, the interim final rule to outline the requirements for loan forgiveness, and the one for loan review procedures and related borrower and lender responsibilities.

Here are my takeaways, with page numbers referenced in each document:

Paycheck Protection Program – Requirements – Loan Forgiveness

  • Accrued interest will be forgiven with the rest of forgiveness (no guidance on interest calculation for partial forgiveness) (page 7)
  • Still no confirmation one way or the other re: EIDL advance subtraction (page 8) — is this only for EIDL advances that meet the characteristics outlined in the CARES Act, or all EIDL grants?
  • Paid OR incurred (not paid AND incurred) — which means unpaid costs from prior periods are in fact eligible (page 9)
  • Supplements to salary/wages are included:
    e.g., bonuses, hazard pay, and additional wages paid to replace tips (except to owners in excess of 2019 income) (page 11)
  • Payroll to furloughed employees is included (page 11)
  • Owners are limited to 8/52 x 2019 compensation (shareholder-employees can also include health insurance and retirement employer contributions, but not Schedule C sole proprietors or partnership partners)
  • Otherwise not limited to 8/52 of costs (except owner payrolls) (page 12-13 utility example)
  • Prepayments are allowed (only mortgage interest specifically excluded) (page 13)
  • FTE reduction exception clarified somewhat (page 13-15)
  • Salary/wage reduction (page 19) appears to take hours-worked into consideration for salaried employees — but heads-up: that is not reflected in the AICPA workbook
  • Similarly, loan forgiveness will not be reduced for exemptions (page 22), but only an FTE solution is offered; I suspect this means that for the wage reduction spreadsheet, only employees working during the 8-week forgiveness period should be included. (I’ll be asking AICPA to clarify this in the instructions.)

    And although not new, I felt they drove home the point that we should make sure to maintain written records of any employees who voluntarily resigned. This will be part of the documentation when substantiating the forgiveness application.

Paycheck Protection Program – SBA Loan Review Procedures and Related Borrower and Lender Responsibilities

  • There will be an opportunity to respond to SBA questions regarding loan forgiveness substantiation before a decision is made (page 9)
  • There will be an appeal process if eligibility is denied by SBA (page 10)
  • The lender will have to review but not audit (independently verify) all documentation and calculations supplied by the borrower, before submitting to SBA
  • The lender may rely on third-party payroll processor records (not required to review source data unless these records are not available) (page 11)
  • Lenders may rely on borrower representations, but must confirm calculations and substantiation (page 12)
  • No date yet by which forgiveness application is due – but bank then has 60 days to submit to SBA and SBA has 90 days to respond (page 12)
    …so it could easily be well over 5 months before you find out whether you got forgiveness.

In summary, I’d say some of these were already clear from the forgiveness application but they finally put it in writing; and some actually confirmed something I could only guess at before; but a few examples actually drove home some important new — or previously vague — points; others were just confirmation that we still don’t know some things, such as the all-important EIDL question.

For a more in-depth walk through the PPP loan forgiveness application, please see Tony Nitti’s excellent line-by-line deep dive — and the AICPA’s spreadsheet calculator. Or if you’re a sole proprietor/ independent contractor/ gig worker who files a Schedule C, then skip the in-depth stuff and follow along with Brian Thompson’s short article instead.


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